Arsenal at it again.
The worlds filthest club may finally get caught. Dvaid Dein has had conflicts of interest for years and we all know our history at what the scum did at the end of the first world war to get themselves into the top division. Corruption ran throughout Highbury back then and it now appears to be doing so again.
www.bbc.co.uk/newsnight
has the full story and it makes fascinating reading. The scum are now claiming that nothing illegal has gone on but for four years they claimed, when asked, that they had no financial relationship between themselves and a small belgium club called Beveren. However it has now been proven that they had with a Belgium magistrate saying that the go between between the scum and Beveren was little more than a puppet of Dein and scum FC. Why lie if there is nothing dodgy going on.
Wenger is also on record stating that the filth have never had a financial arrangement with Beveren. Why is Arsene lying as well? What is going on? Something dodgy has happened and the scum have been caught. The FA will have to investigate and it will have to be independent because otherwise Dein will create some cover up in one of his many roles in the FA. FIFA are now also looking into it. If found guility, and I hope they are, the penalties could be massive and it couldn't happen to a nicer club. What goes around comes around.
COYS!
posted by Paxton Road at 10:58 PM
87 Comments:
going by precident.....relegation.
11:19 PM, June 01, 2006
5 years ban from europe. Goodbye Henry and Wenger! Champions League
here we come!
11:22 PM, June 01, 2006
Ha ha ha ha ha ha...did you see the newsnight report you are so deluded if you think anything is gonna come out of this story.. I can understand though how much it hurts you to see us succeed whilst you fail time and time again...
11:23 PM, June 01, 2006
those ******ing scummy *****. I hope they get what they deserve. Strip the squad of every player except for youth team and reserve players. I hate the scum so much!
11:25 PM, June 01, 2006
Imediate relegation meaning spurs get promoted to fourth and champs league football right away.
Dein and wenger are the two biggest liers in the prem. I bet Arsen will just say he did not see it.
11:26 PM, June 01, 2006
I am a Spurs fan, have been for over 40 years, but I still fail to understand the need to be so insulting to Arsenal. The level of toilet language around them by Spurs so called fans, always leave me wondering why you bother.
Respect them, they have acheived wonderful things that we can only envy.
As for the story, rubbish, get over it
11:27 PM, June 01, 2006
yep there screwed if found guilty of thi, the problem they have is both wenger and dein aare on record stating they had nothing to do with the belgian outfit, now there admiting it, thats why fifa will look at closer, theyve gained an unfair advantage over other clubs in signing there players by way of a loan through a third party who so happens to control the belgian club
11:29 PM, June 01, 2006
as proven on tv, the story has no bearing.
SO fellow Spurs fans. We got nothing on them.
It is like saying Jol did something illegal when he bought Davids then if he sells him for 1K, that 1K profit is illegal.
no substance and again we got nothing to cheer up about
11:30 PM, June 01, 2006
relegation for the wankers
11:30 PM, June 01, 2006
what due mean we have nothing on them, your right mate, its fifa that will have something on them, as you are not aloud to control another club directly or indirectly, its up to arsenal to proove that the payment they made had no bearing on players they conviently signed in the futuer, they basicly use the belgian club to bring players from the ivory coast to the eu, and have now been caught giving giving out loans to control that club there by having first refusal on there players, which breaks fifs rules
11:35 PM, June 01, 2006
40yrs my arse! i can smell a gooner from a mile away, because there full of s**t. Same old Arsenal always cheating! First of all you buy Beveren which is known as cheating... then you buy Eboue who likes to have a little cheat himself....
11:35 PM, June 01, 2006
Well I have been a supporter for 60 years and saw my first game 59 years ago. I agree toilet language should not be used. I would not sully toilets or toilet language with that lot. There is no language that befits the degeneracy of the Scum, but let Dein and Wenger sink in the morass that befits them, and lts see their so called fans lose their gloating grins.
11:36 PM, June 01, 2006
gypo's vs crystal palace
gyo's vs grimsby
gypo's vs millwall
.......................
lmfao
11:39 PM, June 01, 2006
This is fantastic we all knew that arsenal; have been up to no good, this has been going on for years and ill tell you the fa will run with this and we all no that arsenal have the contacts in the fa.
the lot of it stinks the fa & arsenal. if found guilty it will have to be relegation but we all no that, will not happen because both arsenal & the fa are corrupt.
it can only be FIFA & EUFA.
and your right what goes around comes around, history as told us about arsenal, and our time is coming and when it does it will be even sweeter.
Park Lane Blue COYS.
ps!! we must keep this running dont let them get away with IT.
11:39 PM, June 01, 2006
speaking of toilets, spurs know a lot about that
from their sickness they invented to their potty mouths
agreed?
11:39 PM, June 01, 2006
It doesnt matter if they are guilty or not, nothing will happen, if it was a smaller club it would, but Dein has to much power and he will use it, because of him i doubt it will be pursued or it will be buried, again!
Nobody from a single club should have the power over the rest, thankfully Levy has scruples, and does things the right way instead of breaking laws.
11:43 PM, June 01, 2006
What the hell are you lot talking about? Do you even understand the implications of the allegations should they be proved?
At this stage there are just allegations...joe bloggs has basically shown Newsnight a document with David Deins signature on it concerning a payment (some might say LOAN) to one of the people at the top of Beveren.
While I struggle to believe that Arsenal have broken the rules rather than bent them, as an Arsenal fan I think it's strange that Beverens youth policy changed so rapidly at a time coinciding with this payment...maybe due to some encouragement from Arsenal to get young African players a work permit to play in the UK via the backdoor. If this bears out to be true then there should be sanctions but it's not exactly match fixing is it?
I'm afraid the most you lot can hope, and not because of anything sinister, is a ban on transfers for a season, a watchful eye on Arsenals future dealings and a hefty fine. This is known as the punishment fits the crime. Relegation? As I said, we haven't been fixing matches...and I'm really interested in knowing where this so called 'precedent' that one of your oh-so-brave anonymous posters made stems from. There is no precedent for this.
Get a grip...The only way into the Champions League is to earn it. Get the chip of your shoulders and start looking how you can sort yourselves out on and off the pitch. It's not our fault you had twenty years of poor management and administration, nor is it some David Dein is really one of them David Icke lizard people conspiracy theory.
By the by...the only person connected to Arsenal who has been found guilty of any wrong doing in recent memory is George Graham. We got rid of him because of it. You lot then gave him a job.
12:05 AM, June 02, 2006
Nothing illegal has actually been done. It would be interesting to see what came to light if they investigate Chelsea and their web of clubs.
Acutally doesn't Joe Lewis have stakes in various other clubs, like Rangers. Is that "illegal" too? To be honest - it's a nothing story.
12:09 AM, June 02, 2006
40 & 60 years F****off do you no your history.
see the arsenal still looking on the spurs web you losers you really are wankers.
but in some ways you are right i can see why (KEEP LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER) we will always be there and you no it.
PS! did you see the real football factory on bravo TOTTENHAM THE REAL FIRM.
12:10 AM, June 02, 2006
'its up to arsenal to proove' typical scum crap. You're stark staring potty, the burden of proof lies on the acuser you prat.
You tried to cheat your way into the CL once and everyone had a good laugh at your expense, you simply haven't got a fucking clue.
Neither the FA or FIFA have anything to investigate, because no rules have been, manipulated, bent or broken. The only investigation will be into which idiot at the BBC sanctioned Newsnight to make the corporation an even bigger bunch of jerks than usual.
12:14 AM, June 02, 2006
you spurs sound so desperate. like little children wanting someone to get in trouble. blind hatred of the Arsenal and clutching at any old straw to prove theyre no good doesn't earn you any respect. where's your pride? stop whining and play football.
12:17 AM, June 02, 2006
see the arsenal on the site again, have you got nothing better to do, is your site shit! you south london muppets.
cant hope to see you at spurs next year,
but maybe just maybe we may see you at your home ground, if you turn up you dont usually.
same old spurs always taking the piss.
12:34 AM, June 02, 2006
I hate arsenal the club & its so called fans!!
BUT i have to agree we do not need help from any football body i would like it to be done on a football pitch over 38 game, lets face it we are better than them at everthing else,
arsenal have just been a better footballing team than us for some time but we are getting there.
COYS
12:49 AM, June 02, 2006
Two points that seem to keep coming up - Toilets and Lies. Mmmm, which club recently made up a story about food poisoning/a case of the runs that turned out to be a virus? Sorry, what was that? Can't remember their name? Ohh, that's right the team that finished 5th - Lasagne Hotspurs!
1:07 AM, June 02, 2006
Cant see anything happening to the Sh*tarse as dein will cover it up!!!!
1:08 AM, June 02, 2006
ENIC control 29.9% of shares in Spurs, 43% of AEK Athens, 11.8% of FC Basel, 20.2% of Glasgow Rangers, 96.7% of Slavia Prague and 99.9% of Vicenza.
1:13 AM, June 02, 2006
To all you of Arsenal fans, you can moan all you want at us Spurs fans but your club must answer the Newsnight allegations to Fifa.
1:16 AM, June 02, 2006
And Arsenal have already answered it you dumbass...there is absolutely no basis to these allegations, no proof, nothing. It's a witch hunt, pure and simple. Funny how we have no BBC "reports" on Abramovich financing Corinthians so they can buy Tevez and Mascherano or buying players for PSV so they can be cultivated there and then brought to Chelsea. Nothing on ManYoo and Royal Antwerpt??? Exactly...oh I'm sure that's 100% legit.
And btw, none of you Spuds supporters should be saying ANYTHING considering how your little "food posioning" claim was found out to be an utter lie. Ahhhh smell the hypocrisy...what a joke.
1:19 AM, June 02, 2006
If you Aresnal fans think your club's statement answers the allegations, then you are mistaken.
Say all you want, but Arsenal must answer Newsnight's allegations to Fifa.
1:32 AM, June 02, 2006
As Sep Blatter said in Sept 2004:
"Football must remain entertainment for all. It must not become the plaything of a greedy few who believe that their (fleeting) financial strength gives them the legitimacy to call the shots, abandon the grass roots and destroy the very foundation of the national game."
The Newsnight evidence suggests that Arsenal might just be one of those "greedy few".
So I agree with the other Spurs fan who said that Arsenal must answer the Newsnight allegations to Fifa. COYS.
1:59 AM, June 02, 2006
And we will - It's a pile of Spurs, pieced together to sensationalise and increase ratings. No real basis for a case at all...As you all know, but anything to get a bite hey?
2:01 AM, June 02, 2006
ARSENAL OFFICIAL REPLY to Newsnights allegations.
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WAS ISSUED by Arsenal yesterday in response to BBC Newsnight's allegations.
"Arsenal Football Club is aware that BBC Newsnight is carrying a story this evening purporting to describe Arsenal's relationship with Belgian football club, Beveren.
Arsenal does not normally make public its agreements with third parties. However, Arsenal can confirm that it has had a technical relationship with Beveren since 2001. This relationship has a number of benefits to both clubs such as providing a platform to share coaching methods and techniques as well as facilitating the option of players being loaned between the clubs. For example, during the course of the relationship, Arsenal players David Grondin, Liam Chilvers, John Halls and Graham Stack all spent successful loan periods at Beveren as did Emmanuel Eboue, who played in a number of trial matches with Arsenal whilst contracted to Beveren. Such was the latter player's success, Arsenal subsequently signed Eboue on a permanent basis.
In addition, Arsenal confirms that it has never owned, directly or indirectly, any shares in Beveren or had any power whatsoever to influence its management or administration. It did in 2001 provide funds of 1,570,703 Euros by way of loan to a member of the consortium to assist in stabilising the finances of Beveren.
At no time has anyone at Arsenal been contacted by any regulatory or investigatory body with respect to its relationship with Beveren. Arsenal and all its staff have acted properly throughout, in accordance with all applicable rules and regulations, and in the best interests of Beveren, Arsenal and the broader footballing community."
2:07 AM, June 02, 2006
Hey Rhyle,
Why get so wound up man? Take a chill pill dude....
2:30 AM, June 02, 2006
And while your there, say some prayers for your club.
2:37 AM, June 02, 2006
Top story on "considered" and "in depth" news programme on TV channel funded by compulsory public payment; a football club lent some money (enough to buy a very nice house with a pool) to a smaller foreign football club to help them out. The latter have promising players from another continent who may one day be good enough to graduate to the former. The ruling body of the game must decide whether or not contravention of the rules regarding this arrangement (known as a feeder system and employed by several other of the larger teams) have occurred. Minor stories following this lengthy segment included the possible massacre of innocent civilians in a vicious war...
2:45 AM, June 02, 2006
Time for the Arsenal to answer the Newsnight allegations to Fifa.
2:54 AM, June 02, 2006
Arsenal fans. Get of this site, your not wanted and your repetitive you bore the fuck out of all of us so do us a favour and shut up. I dont care about your club or the allegations but I know this. Long gone are the days when we could not compete with yous on the pitch. Its only a matter of time till we beat you. Do you remember Aron Lennon toying with Flamini?? Haha its on the way . See you next season cant wait you are scum and always will be..COYS
3:17 AM, June 02, 2006
ENIC WHAT???
ENIC control 29.9% of shares in Spurs
43% of AEK Athens
11.8% of FC Basel
20.2% of Glasgow Rangers
96.7% of Slavia Prague
99.9% of Vicenza
It is good when you guys dig yourself in a hole doesnt it?
HYPOCRITES!!!!!
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
THAT IS YOUR OWNER LOSERS!!!
4:27 AM, June 02, 2006
You spu*s fan are such a bunch of losers.
Why the fuck am I wasting my time reading this piece of shit.
4:51 AM, June 02, 2006
you guys are such hyporites
get an education
ENIC ENIC ENIC!!!!!!!
4:52 AM, June 02, 2006
Can I ask a question?
How come your Spuds had to lie about being poisoned? how come
please answer WITHOUT LIES!!!!
5:22 AM, June 02, 2006
Again, why don't we hear all you Spuds supporters condemning your own friggin' club for faking a food poisoning outbreak (while some of you delusional supporters blamed it on Arsenal) and trying to get the final game replayed simply because you CHOKED it away and couldn't deal with it. Act all high and mighty if you want, everyone else knows the truth.
Bunch of hypocrites, period.
5:24 AM, June 02, 2006
le arse are a bunch of good for nothing cheats and always have been everyone knows that. You lot are worried and that's the only reason your on here talking crap. You lot can say what you want about the last game of the season but everyone knows it was foul play and Dien covered his tracks. This time how ever he didn't and him and Wenger have been lying for years so why did they just now come out and admit giving Breveren money after dening it for years?
hahahaha have fun answering to FIFA
7:48 AM, June 02, 2006
On the intelligence of gooners. Rhyle thinks Enfield is in Hertfordshire. It used to be in Middlesex. Now it's in gretaer London. It could be myopia of course. You can look that up Rhyle. Under M. In a dictionary...oh ask someone what that is.
8:02 AM, June 02, 2006
For all the arse fans:
1. What you say about Enic and Rangers etc simply isn't true. Enic sold parts of their shares in these clubs to follow rules and regulations. Also Enic have been completely open about their part ownership in other clubs and NOTHING has been done about it. The reason you have those numbers is because it was made public. Unlike arse's "we have no financial interest in Beveren" statements and cover-ups. Wake up, smell the difference.
2. "A director of Beveren, who did not wish to be identified, told Newsnight that in return for the £1m, De Waele was given 50% control of Beveren and Guillou was given another 30%." (Direct quote BBC). If this is in fact true, then surely this is dodgy at best for your club.
3. Think about Beveren for a little while. A club close to going out of business some years ago, suddenly they changed their youth and transfer policy completely, the focus of the club no longer football, but purely financial - making money off selling African players on the European market. However, now, several big-money transfer deals later they have no money again, close to bancrupcy. Where did the money go??? Could it be that some of the unknown owners have some of it??? Pure speculation of course, but surely something FIFA would look into.
8:14 AM, June 02, 2006
Football fans are sad really. My club can do no wrong. So let's spell it out. Arsenal give a large sum of money to a shell company NV Goal, controlled by an asscoiate of Mr Dein (referred to a straw man by Belgian authorities). NV Goal use it to buy 50% of Beveren. Beveren use it to buy players from an academy in which Mr Wenger and his associate are investors. NV Goal take a percentage of the profit on transfers. Mr Wenger's associate takes a percentage. Beveren take the smallest percentage of the profit. The loan to NV Goal is interest free and hasn't been replayed for four years. Arsenal and Wenger deny they have made any finanial inverstment in Beveren. Technically this is true, because the money went to a front company. When this comes out - because even the Belgian authorities could spot something was wrong - Arsenal admit they are liars - that's LIARS - but try to say that they haven't had controll over Beveren. Technically, this is true, as it is NV Goal. But NV Goal is a shell company, funded by Arsenal and fronted by an associate of Mr Dein which profits from transfers from Beveren. So who, apart from Arsenal fans, would believe that that there is no influence? Hands up. No-one.
The funniest thing on the Newsnight report was Telegraph journo saying that Arsenal prided themselves on being whiter than white in their dealings. Of course they do. They would prefer the world to forget that their place in the top division was bought through corruption.
Frankly I expect that if any punishment is brought against Arsenal, it will be negligible. I imagine right now Mr Dein is calling in his favours
8:18 AM, June 02, 2006
Nothing will happen to Arsenal because of this solely becuase of their size and influence.
However I find it funny that AGAIN Arsenal fans defend the actions of Dein and co.
Just like they defend the cheating of their players and the anti english policies of their manager and the rape by Van Persie.
fair play they have been supporting a more successful team the last few years, but if thats what it requires then they can keep it.
I support Spurs because we are class. simple as that.
8:34 AM, June 02, 2006
4. I completely agree with those thinking that the punishment if wrong doing is found will probably be something small, a fine at around 2-3 of Henry's weekly wages is probably the hardest punishment we can expect to see. After all arse is a part of G14, Dein in the FA and the genereal corruption of the footballing world doesn't help. However, according to many forums arse have a suspended 2 year transfer ban punishment for previous misconduct. This could kick in - this is possibly the most interesting thing about the whole affair, and possibly the reason arse would have wanted this (possibly) minor offence to never get out in the open.
8:38 AM, June 02, 2006
Does anybody know of a petition to remove David dodgy Dein from the FA? If not anyone up for starting one?
8:46 AM, June 02, 2006
its about time the scum from the library were found out! i always new they were corrupt...........david dein's a wanker who is running the premierleage and fa...........and beveren!! i hope they get found guilty because this is terrible what they are doing............wenger is no good french tosser who cheats to win!
come on u spurs.........at least we got the core of our teams from..........ermmm England!
8:49 AM, June 02, 2006
Surely this means that David "THE PRICK" Dein cannot be involved with the FA in such an important role after this latest fuck-up! What a dick-head he is!
9:59 AM, June 02, 2006
dont worry, we proved last season that we are consistently better than the arse and this season we'll finish miles ahead of them in the top 4. they got lucky last season and had some truly dire moments...lemon, campbell, diaby, senderos, eboue, adebayor, van persie, reyes LMFAO
there time has come and the goons are scared. nothing will come of all this but the spurs dont need to worry.
We are now north londons number 1 side...and they knw it!!!
10:35 AM, June 02, 2006
oh rhyle
you sad deluded fool.
good luck!
12:03 PM, June 02, 2006
I find the use of the word gypo to describe the scum derogatory and insulting .......... to gypo's everywhere
1:20 PM, June 02, 2006
silly little gooners why so sad??
stay to your own sites please you make me and rest of us sick we dont want you here or your petty comments dont come back now ok. See yous next season can you feel it coming??
COYS
1:35 PM, June 02, 2006
Burried? The Gooners are all over the news...the Iraq was is more burried than you. Are you absolutely blind to the fact you have broken the rules? Or is this a case where you believe you are bending the rules to cheat ur way to success?
Giving a club money whether it be a loan or not and having a direct influence on their transfer policy to bring in players Arsene couldn't sign due to a lack of european games is not fair on other teams. Eboue is a clear example of this policy. Eboue was signed from a training camp in the Ivory Coast that Arsene helped set up. He then joined Beveren due to the lax work permit laws in Belgium and as soon as he got Belgium citizenship he was shipped off to north london.
CHEATING. If the "punishment is to fit the crime" then i think being booted from europe is fair. You can keep your players.
My only spurs worry is that how much of a part did Commoli have to play in all this?
1:38 PM, June 02, 2006
Ok loaning money to Beveren might not be against Fifa rules, but
the fact that they got rid of their Belgian players and replaced them with African ones might suggest that Arsenal were in someway, abeit indirectly, control of that club. Therefore, Arsenal could be in contravention of Fifa rules.
5:01 PM, June 02, 2006
I don't see how amazing will it be even if we win next season's Champions League if we manage to compete at the expense of Arsenal. Let's not change this blog into the Arsewars bullcrap blog_shite.
What we really want is to start beating the big guns in Premiership first before we start whacking the rest of Europe out there. I think by starting in UEFA Cup is a great first step towards that.
It's been long since we have our taste of top European Football. We want to play the game with a beautiful mind. Waiting for us to qualify Champions League in case somebody got caught in an allegation is an insult thing for us to do.
5:10 PM, June 02, 2006
UEFA just confirmed that NO RULES HAVE BEEN BROKEN and have said the matter is closed
BBC Newsnight has apologized and will release a statement
Spurs fans are still lying tvrds who still persist they were poisoned
good one LIAR spurs fans. youa re the true cheats.
8:45 PM, June 02, 2006
Again Arsenal bring the game into disgrace, when will the FA have the guts to punish them. A 5 year ban from Europe and relegation to the 2nd division seems a fair penalty. Wenger has been caught lying about investing his money and so should be banned from managing. David Dean should be imprisoned. Arsenal fans lower your heads in shame, your club is rotten to the core.
9:08 PM, June 02, 2006
rhyle do you really take pleasure in supporting a team full of foreigners?
i think its pathetic
ure basically a one man team. end of.
adleast we had a season to be proud of.
arent u supposed to be challenging for the league title????
get of this blog f*ckin gooner,
and dream of belletti scoring the winner against u scum over and over
haha prick
11:47 PM, June 02, 2006
David Dein voted off the FA board by the Premier League is great news for the future of football.
1:47 AM, June 03, 2006
Okay...it's been a little while as I've actually managed finally to find some time to do some work...but I'm sure you're glad that I'm back to put your poor misguided selves to right.
1. Bravo Kenneth for getting the point of all this.
2. Fuzzyyiddo - at what point did I criticise Enic's involvement in anything? I've only been critical of the spurious bullshit thats been spewed on here and it only strikes me that my understanding of the situation is better than anyone elses...purely for the fact that I'm taking on more than I'm an Arsenal fan, I'm reading EVERYONES opinion on the matter for/against whatever. I kinda think that makes me more rational, more measured. Read my earlier posts, I've AGREED that if it turns out we've done something wrong we deserve to be punished. I've AGREED that it appears we seem to have exerted an influence over the change from Belgian players to African players and that this, if proved to be something Arsenal are responsible for, is something we shouldn't be proud of and punished for.
My points, in several VERY FUCKING CLEAR posts have been your piss poor pitiful attempts at understanding the actual implications and your optimism in that you seem to think Arsenal will either be relegated or banned from the Chamions League. I'll say it ONE MORE TIME for you. It's not about me being smarter. IT'S ABOUT ME BEING RIGHT. No-one, lawyers, experts whatever can find anything wrong in what Arsenal have done ON PAPER AND IN THE RULES. Not once have I justified what may be questionable behaviour, in fact I've done the opposite and in an admittedly roundabout way condemned it. HAVING SAID THAT WE HAVE NOT, AT LEAST AT FACE VALUE BROKEN ANY RULES.
Now as for your David Dein being kicked off of the FA point...I refer you to my earlier point about the timing of these allegations. I think they've got more to do with him being ousted. DD being kicked off of the FA has absolutely no impact on me whatsoever, but if it makes you feel better...fine. I'll just bet that the next time the FA appear to favour Man Utd you'll be very glad that Mr. Gill is in charge.
Remember...there's always two sides to a coin.
And my nightshift has been shit to say the least.
2:15 AM, June 03, 2006
I repeat my earlier blog -
Ok loaning money to Beveren might not be against Fifa rules, but
the fact that they got rid of their Belgian players and replaced them with African ones might suggest that Arsenal were in someway, abeit indirectly, control of that club. Therefore, Arsenal could be in contravention of Fifa rules.
2:25 AM, June 03, 2006
Another interesting point raised just now by a fellow gooner...
Interesting how the investigation does not implicate any direct wrongdoing.
MORE INTERESTING THAT IT'S THE BBC MAKING THE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT A CLUB IN WHICH GRANADA (ITV) HAVE A LARGE SHAREHOLDING.
Me...it strikes me, as I've been very clear about, that we may have bent the rules...everything else is immaterial. In the words of any judge (at least, judging by comments from UEFA)...NOT FUCKING GUILTY MUPPETS.
Oh...and good luck in the UEFA cup. I'd love an English side to win it...even you...of course I wouldn't be saying that if I thought for a moment you had the ability to actually win it.
2:25 AM, June 03, 2006
TOO ALL THE ARSENAL FANS THAT HAVE POSTED COMMENTS ON THIS SITE...YOU GUYS ARE SOOOOO VERY SAD.
2:27 AM, June 03, 2006
And I repeat my earlier statement that we're NOT in contravention of UEFA rules as we do not own shares in Beveren. We may exert an influence but that is not punishable by relegation or being thrown out of the Champions League.
EVERY TIME I STATE THIS AGAIN JUST MAKES YOU LOT LOOK LIKE FOOLS. KEEP IT UP AS I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO ON A NIGHTSHIFT THAN MAKE YOU LOT LOOK LIKE 'DIVS' TO USE MY NEPHEWS FAVOURITE WORD.
2:28 AM, June 03, 2006
Ok. But I think its time to repeat an earlier blog by a fellow Spurs fabn who said:
"As Sep Blatter said in Sept 2004:
"Football must remain entertainment for all. It must not become the plaything of a greedy few who believe that their (fleeting) financial strength gives them the legitimacy to call the shots, abandon the grass roots and destroy the very foundation of the national game."
The Newsnight evidence suggests that Arsenal might just be one of those "greedy few".
So I agree with the other Spurs fan who said that Arsenal must answer the Newsnight allegations to Fifa. COYS."
It seemes that in Arsenal's burning desire to win at all costs + greed for money, they might have controlled Bereven to get rid of their Belgian players and replace them with Africans. If there is proof of this then Fifa ought to take serious disciplinary action against Arsenal.
David Dein being voted off the FA is the 1st step to cleaning up our game. After all what a stupid man to try to get "big Phil". The man hardly spoke any English.
2:48 AM, June 03, 2006
Fair enough...if you weren't agreeing with half of what I've already said (which is most of the problem with you lot...seem more intent in having an argument than actually reading whats been written). I've said countless fucking times that it's strange that Beveren changed their team at around the same time that the payments been made. I'D DEARLY, DEARLY LOVE SOME CLARIFICATION OVER WHAT YOU THINK WE'VE DONE WRONG AND WHY IT'S SO BAD.
As for Big Phil...I was saying his name before it came out as being linked with the job in the first place. He's a first rate coach with a first rate record. Let him learn English...it's not like he didn't have time to. Fucking TOMMY from the Who musical could fucking see he was the right man with the right experience for the job.
As for getting rid of David Dein from the FA...thank GOD. It just gives one less reason to fucking bitch when we beat you all ends up next season. His focus will be on Arsenal, Arsenals focus will be on football. Spurs focus seems to be purely on trying to get into the Champions League by hook or by crook.
HONESTLY I CAME ON HERE LOOKING FOR SOME INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE ON THE SITUATION. NOT ONCE HAVE I SAID WE WERE COMPLETELY GUILT FREE. I'VE JUST SAID WE HAVEN'T BROKEN ANY RULES. YOU LOT HAVE GOT THE WRONG END OF THE SHITTY STICK AND HAVEN'T TRULY UNDERSTOOD ONE IOTA OF THIS SITUATION OR READ A WORD I'VE SAID AS I'VE DEALT WITH ALL THIS SHIT ALREADY AND ALL YOU'RE DOING IS MAKING ME MORE AND MORE CORRECT IN MY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOU. READ WHAT I'VE WRITTEN. THINK ABOUT IT. COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WORTH READING YOU MORONS.
2:58 AM, June 03, 2006
Another point to raise is that you seem so glad that David Dein has been voted off that you haven't noticed that 3 people from North West clubs...Man Utd, Bolton and Blackburn are now on the board of the FA. Hmmm...wonder what'll happen if Bolton beat Spurs to their UEFA cup spot next season.
I SMELL A CONSPIRACTY AGAINST SPURS BREWING ALREADY.
3:07 AM, June 03, 2006
Rhyle or should is say yiddo!!!
You seem to spend so much time in this spurs website you seem to be a Spurs fan in disguise!! So why don't you come clean?
3:30 AM, June 03, 2006
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3:32 AM, June 03, 2006
Yeah, Rhyle. You need a reality pill and stop taking bollocks.
3:36 AM, June 03, 2006
Fuzzoyiddofella...I've not accused you of wanting Arsenal relegated / expelled from the CL...just the rest of your more reactionary compatriots. I've only tried to deal with some missunderstandings of my point of view. As you say...done and dusted...
My point about the representatives on the board of the FA is that it doesn't matter who it is, there is always going to be a rival who thinks that they've only got their own teams interests at heart. With Gill on the board, I'm sure that Man City will soon have the same issues you lot had with Dein.
The whole issue of Dein being on the board of the FA is a very recent niggling point between Spurs and Arsenal brought about by some, shall we say BLUE tinted, glass wearing, shit spouting former MP newspaper columnist who sulks when he doesn't get his own way. It stems from the travesty that was the search for the next England manager (which could and should have waited until after the World Cup). The questions he raised were: why wasn't Wenger approached? Was he shielded by Dein? The answer has been no to both as Wenger HAS REPEATEDLY STATED THAT INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT DOESN'T INTEREST HIM.
As an Arsenal fan who knows a bit about the man himself I know that there is probably only one job that could ever tempt Wenger away from Arsenal and that is the team that has always been the Alsacians (if thats a word) first love...Bayern Munich. Even there, given the free reign he has at Arsenal and the commitment he's made to the club, I don't think that would tempt him away now.
4:07 AM, June 03, 2006
My fellow Yids,
I think we have to stop throwing bad eggs at people and start looking at how should our club improve.
Whatever people are laughing at us, and whatever they are laughing about, let them laugh.
THFC is a football club which needs no stepping on anyone's head to rise above anybody else. We are a warrior's sword which has been blunt and loses its true potential, but the great Martin is here to sharpen the blade so we can cheer beating the great ones once again.
Forget Arsenal, forget Man U, forget Chelsea... let's put every team out of the picture for a while, and look at ours. I heard laughters has lessened this year when we were firm at 4th all season. I even see Gunners fans start coming to see our Spurs game again at some pubs. Ain't football supposed to be a beautiful game rather than just clubs with fans exchanging insults on each other?
We have a UEFA Cup to win next season and hopefully finish on the top three cuz we were nearly there last season.
If we are really in the Champions League, we won't be proud even if we win it. Remember HOW we qualified for it.
6:44 AM, June 03, 2006
"Remember...there's always two sides to a coin"
Yeah but they're very rarely both reasonable. One side is usually coming from a dishonest position.
7:17 AM, June 03, 2006
6.44am,
You must a kind soul in your your teens or twenties.
There would be some here cheering as our closest rivals falling hard on their face.
For me, if Arsenal do lost out the CL place and we benefitted, I would not care if it was justly done.
Imagine, the likes of Lennon, King and Robinson in the CL and the excitement that comes with it.I don't think I would worry too much about the "honour" issue.
We have been honourable enough.We built a team that are predominantly English and the gooners prey on poor african countries in the name of success.
But I don't see it happening that the gooners would be ban from the CL.It would be a long legal process if FIFA do go ahead with sanctions.With the WC round the corner, any sanctions would not happen next season at least.
7:55 AM, June 03, 2006
dein's gone from the FA panel - bout time.
trouble is, he's been replaced with the man ure chief exec !! you couldnt make it up.
coys
7:01 PM, June 03, 2006
David Dein being voted off the FA Board by the Premier League (by all of the 20 members), could be a result of the FA Board being asked by Fifa to investigate Arsenal's relationship with Beveren. Arsenal clearly lied when they previously denied any financial involvement with Beveren.
David Dein signed at least one of the documents un-earthed by Newsnight. Fifa asked the FA to investigate Arsenal's relationship with Beveren, and David Dein's position on the FA Board clearly became untenable as a result.
Arsenal may not have done anything wrong in loaning £1M to Beveren, but they may have been behind the policy for Beveren to get rid of their Belgian players and replace them with African ones. Arsenal would then cherry pick the best ones as and when their footballing ability became clear. If the Newsnight allegations are proved, then Arsenal are guilty as charged. They should not only be fined (which would not have much impact) but THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF NEXT SEASON'S EUROPEAN CUP COMPETION, AND BANNED FROM IT FOR AT LEAST 5 YEARS.
10:29 PM, June 03, 2006
I'm afraid I'm going to need to know what you think we've done wrong and more of a reason for that punishment sir. Is that an expert opinion of someone who knows what they are talking about or just what you, whose team stands to benefit from our expulsion from the Champions League, would like to see?
The facts of the situation are becoming clearer - the BBC in an article by a POLITICAL reporter (so not exactly someone with a wide knowledge of FIFA rules) who shall we say exaggerated the impact and relevance of this £1m loan. The reason it came to light is due to a Belgian police investigation into MAFIA connections, they've found us and (as is now being covered in the Belgian media)are trying to justify their investigations. The article was given to 'a source' in the UK 3 weeks ago and has been sat on until the oh-so-convenient-just-before-FA-board-elections Newsnight report.
Turns out even if Arsenal did have an influence on the change in direction to African players, as long we don't hold more than 50% of the shares in Beveren, we've DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
Interesting turn of events don't you think?
11:38 PM, June 03, 2006
FIFA have asked the FA to investigate whether Arsenal have broken their rule which forbids any club to control another club in any way whatsoever (This could go beyond the ownership of shares in another club.) If Arsenal are found to have breached this rule they could be fined or even suspended.
2:08 AM, June 04, 2006
11.38pm....The facts of the paper is staring at your face and you still get it ?
GOAL, the company set up to take over the financially stricken beveren hold 50% of shares.One of the contractual statements for GOAL were signed by Dein ON BEHALF OF ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB.(Is that fact shouting loud enough ? )You can even see a copy of that statement on the BBC website.
Arsenal may not have infringe premiership rules but they may have infringe FIFA regulations or even EU trading regulations.
Its a matter for FIFA to take up with Arsenal but I can't see them being booted out of CL though.Unless it is the proportion of the recent match fixing scandals in Italy.The financial implications of booted out of CL would be too massive a punishment that FIFA or UEFA dare to mete out.
6:43 AM, June 06, 2006
Response to Lillywhite (8.34, 2-6-06)
Spurs class? don't you guys realize that your team is the laughing stock of and held in contempt by the rest of the football community? Your problem is you think your a big club. The truth is Villa, Man City, Blackburn, Derby and Forest (to name but a few) are more successful than you. The debacles with Hoddle, George Graham, Ardiles, Santini, Lasagnegate, Levy etc.The laughable fact is that you have you have just completed a season having played a record low number of premiership games, that your best season for years against Arsenals worst, yet you still finish below them. Remember a couple of years back when you lot threw your season tickets on the pitch? Now the deafening cry of "kick 'em out" against Arsenal doing what every top European team does. Spurs, you are a pathetic joke. Live with it. E
3:33 PM, June 06, 2006
its great seeing you arsenal wankers arguing your case now with all these pathetic long posts droning on and on argueing some pathetic little loopholes when you know your corrupt. it just underlines how worried you are that spurs are back, and what sad little spotty geeks you all are and when it comes to it your club and supporters are a joke!
especially you rhyle, doing your night shift and cheating your employer by spending far too much time on a spurs website...pathetic. probably claiming dole at the same time to no doubt and proving that cheats stick together.
enjoy watching your last two english players fuck off abroad wont you. cole to madrid to replace carlos to chelsea, bridge o us - another englishman. enjoy flamini and froggy clitty.
as for that other arsenhole claiming we are in hertfordshire - check out our london postcode of N17. history says yours reads SE18 or something i believe woolwich arse.
by the way - hasnt theo been a let down. glad we have got lennon.
bye wankers - and cant wait for your next visit to the lane so we can kick your heads in again, as we do every year!
8:59 PM, June 06, 2006
never mind all the arsenal bollocks.
they are ahead of us and only decent quality additions to our squad will help catch em.
we have been linked with every player who can lace their boots and still not one decent signing.
11:09 PM, June 06, 2006
Not one decent signing?!!
So is Barbitoff crap then?
9:07 AM, June 08, 2006
Berbatov( you got spelling wrong )is not crap but he aint special and no one apart from us wanted him. Raziak similarity ??
Arsenal will only sign quality and all the crap about us only buying english will come back to haunt us.
Stop press..... 2 french kids have joined us
see what i mean
10:47 PM, June 09, 2006
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