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Monday, August 20, 2007

Levy looks to finish season now

Levy looks like he is about to end our season after three games. Rumors continue and it now looks almost certain that Levy is going to do the dirty and stab Martin Jol in the back with the hope of attracting Ramos from Sevilla.

This is an extremely risky strategy as Jol has now proved twice in the league that he can get us into the UEFA places. Remember we last qualified for the UEFA cup via the league in 1983 before Jol's arrival and Levy now wants to axe the man!

Levy apparently feels that Jol is not the man to get us into the Champions League where he can see a real return on his investment. However is this a new opinion or is Levy so short sighted he can only look at two defeats against Sunderland and Everton. If he is looking at the latter then the mans a fool and if the former why did he let Comolli and Jol spend £40 million and then sack him? Poor management by the directors one feels.

And Levy's apparent replacement is Ramos. Ramos has done very well with Sevilla but has only won two cups in 15 years of management. Ramos is also the man who should have seen Sevilla win the Spanish League last season. It was there for the taking before Ramos rested players for vital league games to concentrate on the UEFA, now a second rate competition to what it was. Is that real ambition being shown there? I don't think so.

This is a vital season for Spurs and I do agree we should be running the top four much closer in games and in final league positions than we have in the past. However, sacking Jol is not the answer to this. The huge upheaval it brings and change in systems and back room staff would not lead to instant success. It may in future seasons but would write this one off. Failure to qualify for the UEFA cup at least would see the departure of many stars and the start of a brand new five year plan. But of course Levy will sack Ramos 3 years in anyway. Charlton, Newcastle and West Ham have shown in recent years what happens when you boot the manager so early into a season and while I'm not saying we shall get relegated we shall lose ground on where we want to be.

And is it fair for Jol to be the scape goat here. Comolli has overall responsibility for bringing in players and shouldn't he be asked questions as to why he still can't manage to find a left winger and what did he exactly see in Zokora when we bought him? How many of our first 11 would make a top four team? King if fit, Berbatov - maybe Lennon? And then Levy - he splashed some TV cash this summer but generally has sold to invest - Carrick being a prime example but limits us in so many ways with a highly restrictive wage structure? Jol has the fifth best squad in the league - if Levy really wants CL football he need to provide the resources to do so.

If Levy sacks Jol he's a mug and will consign us back to mid table obscurity for many years to come.

80 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firstly, rumour has a "u" in it, unless you're American, in which case just shut up.

Secondly, Spurs last qualified for UEFA in 1983 because English clubs were banned after 1985, not because we didn't finish high enough in the league.

8:35 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

Ok, so if you take out the ban change 1983 to 1987 - wow what an improvement.

8:36 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Oblio said...

Agreed. I hope the fact that the players and fans, coming out in defence of BMJ show the board that this is utter madness. it's 3 games in for God's sake.....

8:36 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, it wasn't 1983 since we won it in 1984.

8:46 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey im a big fan of Martin Jol but it must be said that since Dan Levy took over he hasnt really put a foot wrong from what ive seen so if he thinks we need a different type of coach to move us forward then maybe we shouldnt just dismiss it and if it were to be Ramos or Capello as muted then who are we to argue with that as they are both proven winners not just nice blokes that clap when sung too!

8:46 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

ok 1990 - still a 17 year gap.

Spurs won the UEFA cup in 1984 during the 1983 / 1984 season.

8:49 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is rubbish. Jol isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Only the twits at Newcastle sack managers this early into a season (Robson/Gullit). What Spurs have lacked is continuity, with so many managers in/out over the past decade. Now that we've got stability and shown real improvement, why would they show the door to the main man responsible? If he isn't getting on with Commoli as is the rumour de jour, then perhaps Commoli ought to feck off? What talent has he unearthed other than Taarabt? Chimbonda and Berbs? Not like they were a big secret. Zokora and Rocha? Hmmm.

8:51 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

agree with previous comments..poor article, poorly conceived, and poorly written, its evident its far too early to say anything about anyone...sometimes if there is nothing to say shut up

8:51 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we were to get rid of Jol(something I seriously hope does'nt happen)then their is only one man who would appease me, and only one man that I think will absolutely guarentee us Champions league football in the very near future, and that man is Fabio Capello.

Forget Ramos,Klinsmann or Hughes.
Capello is THE best manager in the game today(bar NONE)
If we could get him, then letting Jol go might be understandable.

As it is, Jol has done great things for our club, and I love the man.
Would be gutted if he went(unless Capello come in of course...but I just cannot see him being interested)

8:53 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the continental structure is proving a problem for a good bloke like Jol, than what makes anyone think someone like Ramos or Klinsmann would work well under Commoli?

8:54 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blimey we're at it again! The media hypes it up to sell papers and the like - fans get sucked in because 'if it's in the papers it must be true' and now you're giving perpetuating rumours in your blog.
BMJ will not be going anywhere...now let it rest for Gawds sake!

8:54 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's why Jol isn't going anywhere... comments from Darren Bent today...


"He knows he's not going anywhere. He has made a big impact on me already. He's the one that got me from Charlton. He's going to have a massive influence on my career and I want to repay him with goals."

"His coaching methods and the way that he talks to you shows he's a top manager.

"He shows everyone a lot of respect, while others will hammer a player if he's not done something right.

"He just talks to you, gets his point across and everyone knows what he wants."

8:56 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paxton Road is deleting my comments to make himself look less stupid.

8:57 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loads of mistakes in the article. Firstly, we've been in Europe in the 1990's and also Ramos has won 5 trophies and it highly regarded. Didn't he tactically destroy Jol last season at WHL?

I rate and still want Jol but do the board?

8:59 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

Says mr Anonymous - I don't appreciate being told to fuck off - you don't like what I write don't read it Mr Levy.

9:00 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He did say "through the league" to be fair, but he didn't know that Enlish clubs were banned until 1990, which was the last time we would have qualified through the league.

9:00 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

Loads of mistakes in the article. Firstly, we've been in Europe in the 1990's and also Ramos has won 5 trophies and it highly regarded. Didn't he tactically destroy Jol last season at WHL?

I rate and still want Jol but do the board?

Read what I wrote.

9:01 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't read it if it didn't come up on newsnow. This isn't news, it's ill-informed opinion.

I support Jol, by the way, I just hate pig-ignorant morons.

9:01 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh fuck off and if "you don't like what I write don't read it".

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, Mr Freedom for morons to have their say.

9:03 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

We shall see. The knives are out unfortunately and this is not from press speculation.

9:04 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any article which uses the word 'apparantly' is a waste of time.

Facts please..

9:04 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It's my blog and I'll write what I like!"

9:05 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Harry Hotspur said...

Anon 8.52

You big rough tough hard man from Planet Trafficwarden - Does your expert analysis also apply to your own patronising b*ll*cks...?

Your 1940's schoolteacher turn of phrase is unmistakable...you've been verbally whipped and f*cked out the door on several occasions on HH.

Wake up to the fact that these blogs are for fans and do not require your 'overseeing'.

You sad, lonely c*ck.

9:06 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

Well said Harry :-)

9:07 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry, by "you've been verbally whipped and f*cked out the door on several occasions on HH",you mean you've had to diable anonymous posts, you fucking gimp.

9:08 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous BMJ for President! said...

Anonymous who keeps slagging pazton off, can you fucking jog on, fed up of reading your shite comments.

Don't click on this site if you don't regard it as news.

Why are you being so busy, your turning into Rob Styles.

Alot of the sites on news now are about opinions, deal with it you know it all c*nt!!

9:09 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of you are just reading media. media are the people who have said jol's job is on the line, not levy!

9:09 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bloggers sticking together for their freedom of speech, and freedom to delete what others say that they don't like.

9:09 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be fair, I do know it all.

9:10 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

Being told to fuck off is good reason to delete a comment thanks.

9:12 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You also deleted my post where I informed you that English clubs were banned until 1990.

Also, you haven't deleted the post where I get called a cunt. Not that I care, but if you're allowing swearing, why should you be immune?

You big, gay prick.

9:14 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only the twits at Newcastle sack managers this early. Erm, it's nearly September, the month both Hoddle and Gross were sacked in. It's essential that we the supporters back Jol fully to attempt stop his removal. He is easily the best thing to have happened at Spurs since the mid 80's. Talk of appointing Capello is folly on a level with their claim a few years ago to be about to appoint Trappatoni.
D

9:14 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

You big, gay prick.

Fantastic. Keep going.

9:16 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The club pretended to appoint Trappatoni as cover for the fact that they had actually agreed a deal with Sven, which ultimately fell through when he was forced to sign a new contract before the World Cup after being caught talking to Chelsea.

True story that, but I have no source at all.

9:17 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-martin-jol

sign this petition to show your support for Jol

9:17 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So are you American then, Paxton Road?

9:18 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

No but when you make a Typo on Safari and spell check it it uses an American database - I missed it tbh.

9:21 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting back to football, still trying to work out whether it's a good or bad time to play United? Roo & Ron both out, but they'll be looking to dish some out on Sunday. Hope Jol picks a positive side, would rather we attacked & played our own game...

9:22 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fair enough. I take it all back.

9:22 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's no way United are going four games without a win.

9:23 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all bollocks...Jol is not going anywhere...we are being played...

COYS!

9:25 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LMAO, load of tripe but the abuse tennis amused me!

9:27 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you guys wanna proper read check out Harry Hotspur...

9:29 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this wonderful Seville manager has had 11 clubs in 16 years - how good is that ??????

9:30 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry Hotspurt's blog is rubbish

9:31 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your right, certainly proves he's in demand...

9:31 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are you to rubbish Harry Hotspur? Chump.

9:33 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Jol to Stay said...

"now looks almost certain that Levy is going to do the dirty and stab Martin Jol"

Inaccurate and rather negative to be fair:

1/4 - Jol to be at Spurs come may

3/1 - Jol to be gone by may

You do the maths.

Bookies certainly don't agree, and neither do i.


8:53,

100/1 - Capello next Spurs manager!

And I think you'll find that Carlo Ancelotti 'is THE best manager in the game today (bar NONE)'

9:35 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've got a brain cell, which makes me qualified to rubbish Harry's blog, the one with more advertising than a Champions League final.

It's got so much advertising it even makes my browser crash.

Harry is writing bollocks because he's a moron and it makes him money.

9:37 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hate to say this guys, but i have heard from a guy who works WHL thatthe meeting with Ramos did take place and that Jol has only 4 games to save his job. Ridiculous.

I have sent a letter to Daniel Levy telling him what i think.
Did anyone else think he looked uncomfortable during the game when we charging Martin Jol's name?

9:37 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was a meeting. I've seen the pictures on Spanish news.

Fortunately it wasn't a meeting about Spurs.

Phew!

9:39 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the pics:

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/sevilla/es/desarrollo/1027193.html

9:42 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry uses the advertising to pay for the site, well done to the guy. Not his fault you can only afford a speak n' spell for your pc...

9:42 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/sevilla/es/desarrollo/1027193.html

9:43 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry's site must cost a fortune then.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/
1a_division/sevilla/es/desarrollo/
1027193.html

Long url

9:44 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Paxton Road said...

I think you'll find that your browser is crashing as you almost certainly have the bad luck to run Windows.

Harry has a top blog. I like his style

9:47 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, it's probably partly that, and also the fact that 90% of it is advertising.

Personally, I don't like Harry's style. It's badly written, the content is moronic, and his views are ill-informed and utterly predictable.

But each to their own.

9:50 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you start your own blog up instead of slating others? Who's the moron??

10:00 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Levy will sell THFC this season !!

10:03 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Harry posting anonymously now?

10:16 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Blogger Harry Hotspur said...

9.08


I have comment moderation on because it keeps spastics (opposed to diabled people) from writing on my walls...

10:32 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what stops you?

10:37 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi guys. Good article. Quick message to say that i'm wring for the Daily Mirror online as a fan blogger. Would be great to hear your views from everyone.

Best Wishes

Mike

10:43 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Daily Mirror is fucking garbage.

10:45 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know but i don't write for them. i just have a blog for them

10:50 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Jol makes some tactical mistakes sometimes and sometimes is a bit negative away from home when we should be going out and attacking teams, eg Sunderland, but overall Martin Jol has been brilliant since he has been at Spurs. He has made me proud to support our club and has helped put us up there with a team people actually see as on the verge of joining the elite ( which I never thought would ever happen ). Our results so far haven't been great and I feel we will struggle in the next few games against Man utd and Arsenal etc but I think most teams in the world would struggle without the likes of King, Kaboul, Dawson, Lennon, Berbatov, Bale etc. You take away Rio Ferdinand, Vidic, Rooney and Ronaldo and Man Utd would be no where near to winning the league. Yes we have a big squad and I am not using excuses but those it really is just bad luck that we have so many key players injured already. We still should have beaten Sunderland and Everton, but the injury situation is ridiculas. To say Jol is going to get sacked after this is very harsh. yes if we finish lower than 5th or 6th and get no where in the cups then yes, maybe it will be the time for him to go, but atleast let him have the chance to get a few players fit again and try and see if we can win something. Personally I would rather finish 5th and win a cup than finish 4th and win nothing. Winning trophies is what it is all about. Just by getting 4th space doesn't even mean we would get in to the group stage of the Champions league anyway so in my eyes finishing 4th is not the most important thing. I would love us to win the FA cup or the Uefa cup and if the majority of our key players are fit then we have a chance. COYS!!!! Martin Jols blue and white army!

11:01 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One good way to settle all the doubts would be for Levy to come out with a public statement re MJ's future!

11:01 PM, August 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A mate just wrote on my facebook wall:

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you sack a manager when he's hit the limit of his ability and is clearly a league below what's needed to lift you back to the elite where we below...i know it's harsh but he's had more backing in terms of players than any manager we've had and he's not even got us to a final or CL, more importantly he's shown himself to be a predictable, limited tactician with little imagination (see Chelsea cup match last year) whose decision making on the big, crucial moments is weak. why wait for him to get exposed again on the big matches, when there's the likes of Capello out there with no job and proven top level experience (Jol hasn't even managed a top club in Holland, how on is he managing Spurs)...we've go the best squad we've had for 20 years but still no balanced first choice team (wide players he chooses not to play & no play maker in the Spurs tradition). hey I'm a Spurs fan, so by default fickle;-)
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I replied:

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I hear what you are saying, and it stings cos I think you are correct about his tactics, the amount of times I have screamed at the tv or radio for him to bring someone on or be a bit more adventurous but...

The best MDs make those calls long before they have to. If Jol was finished Levy should have flushed him end of season not the start. Disgraceful management.

Jol is clearly finished, the Ramos deal is obviously on the cards. May as well get it over with now...maybe before the ManU game...

Life is never dull as a yid eh?
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All the best Martin, you remain a legend...

So...whose up next folks? Capello? Ramos? Jurgen?

12:13 AM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous millasur said...

I LOVE MARTIN JOL.

MARTIN JOL LOVES ME!

I LOVE MARTIN JOL.

MARTIN JOL LOVES ME!

I LOVE MARTIN JOL.

MARTIN JOL LOVES ME!!!

That is all there is to be said on the matter, fucking wake up Spurs. :| YIDO YIDO YIDO

2:09 AM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to The Sun, Jol wanted to sell Berbatov. According to the Guardian, Ramos is a done deal.

2:54 AM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly that..Jol sells his players regardless of who they are as soon as they show disagreement with him.

Davids should never have been sold last season and if we are not careful we will lose Berbatov and Defoe as well.

Ferguson is the boss at United but Jol is not Ferguson.

5:52 AM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it is true that MJ told Levy to sell dimi as he was not a team player then yws maybe it is time for MJ to move on.

7:12 AM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5.52

Your right, Davids shouldn't of been sold in january.........he should of been sold in the summer transfer window before then.

First 6 months, he was good, after that, complete cack.

If you disagree then it clearly shows you know nothing about football, his start to last season was nothing short of abysmal and it wasn't gonna all of a sudden get any better, purpose served, time to go.

1:16 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous dannyboy said...

martin jol was appointed on a fixed term contract - 3, 4, 5 years whatever? let him see out his time at least. how on earth is 2 consecutive 5th place finishes considered failure after what we have been used to? give the bloke a break and support him. be a true supporter and not like the tabloid hacks who have so obviously got it in for us. (the doubters i mean, not you paxton.)
coys

1:53 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jol has to stay, this is suicide ehich is exactly what the tabloids want us to do. Cant believe Levy is going to fall for it.

3:12 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-martin-jol

3:29 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spurs4Life Ed
The media is full of these unsubstantiated, nasty, destructive little stories for one reason only, SPURS ARE A GENUINE THREAT to the usual top4 ! Don’t fall for it ! and make sure the board knows that we will not accept any knee jerk reactions instigated by the media. Let’s have a steady ship and a good season.

Come,onnnnnnn,the,Spuuuurs

6:16 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spurs4Life Ed
The media is full of these unsubstantiated, nasty, destructive little stories for one reason only, SPURS ARE A GENUINE THREAT to the usual top4 ! Don’t fall for it ! and make sure the board knows that we will not accept any knee jerk reactions instigated by the media. JOL TO STAY, steady the ship and give us a great season.

Come,onnnnnnn,the,Spuuuurs

6:18 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somewhere in this thread someone wrote "Levy hasn't put a foot wrong." Well, he hired Santini (but didn't give him an apartment with a sea view) and he also hired Jol. If you hired someone and then fired them because they were inept what does it say about your hiring practices?

6:46 PM, August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need a new manager , what we need is Dave Mackay.

8:33 PM, August 21, 2007

 

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